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after many jealous moments of hearing from other people how wonderful their cinematic experiences have been, i am finally allowed to watch movies myself!
ross and i watched 300.
then tonight we watched pan's labyrinth.

ross really hated 300. i kinda liked it, despite the historical unreality.
i've read herodotus (who wrote the history the comic is based off of) and there are a few facts you should know.
1 leonidas was not born a greek. he became king of the spartans through marrying the right chick and her brother (the king) dying.
2 sparta really did send 300 men to battle the persian army - which was about as vast as the movie claimed.
3 sparta actually had a great deal of help from the other greeks.
4 the spartans who returned home alive were ridiculed and humiliated until they proved themselves in a later battle. cowardice was NOT tolerated.
5 women were CHATTEL in sparta. men and women did not live together, but in separate dormitories - even if they were married! if a man admired another's wife, he could negotiate with her husband for her to bare him a son.
6 Xerxes really did hate leonidas and fear the greeks in part because of sparta.
7 there is no mention in the history of the traitor being a hunchback.
8 there were NO monsters, elephants or rhinos, but the part about the "immortals" was real.

overall, i thought it was pretty good, but am disturbed about a pro-war movie coming out in our current political climate.

it didn't TOUCH pan's labyrinth.
the story, the cinematography, the brutal depiction of how proud and cruel people can be during war....i loved it that everything magical also had a sharp edge. it made it more believable. the end was a little abrupt...but i also thought that was fitting, given the circumstances
MAN was that movie awesome in every way that matters! loveditloveditlovedit!

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Date: 2007-03-21 05:41 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] shadows-harem.livejournal.com
From a cinemetography standpoint, I enjoyed 300... from a content standpoint, I wasn't overly impressed. Probably because I wasn't in the mood for a fighting/action movie that night...

Though I have to agree with Pan's Labyrinth. That movie rocked.

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Date: 2007-03-21 03:28 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] 2eclipse.livejournal.com
i pretty much exactly agree with you.
i even think the acting was pretty good- i just think there wasn't enough plot to fill 2 hours with and i don't like inaccurately depicted romance. otherwise the non-historical bits don't bother me that much

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Date: 2007-03-21 05:46 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ladycracow.livejournal.com
I loved Pan's Labyrinth!! 300 was pretty, that's my review of that. And in it's defense it was not meant to be historically accurate but to cinematize (is that a word) Frank Miller's comic book which it did very, very well.

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Date: 2007-03-21 03:30 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] 2eclipse.livejournal.com
yeah, a lot of my historical gripes are with the comic, not the movie.

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Date: 2007-03-21 07:08 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] eltanin.livejournal.com
A lot of people say this was a "pro-war" movie.

I'm confused.

The comic was published before the war started.

The battled happened WAY before the war started.

So, just because some people may interpret intentions that may or may not have been present when this movie was produced, should it have not been made?

By the way, it's late and I've had a couple drinks.

oh no, not at all

Date: 2007-03-21 03:34 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] 2eclipse.livejournal.com
i don't say it shouldn't have been made (although i would have liked more plot and less romance that didn't belong in sparta).

my problem there is with the timing. have that movie come out when we are at peace or something. my issue is that i think a movie like that leaves a feeling of pride and glory and sense of worth about war (generally, not just about its subject). i worry that those positive feelings are A. unrealistic and B. might cause people to feel so proud of our troops that they will have more patience with bush or if they are young, join the military themselves.

ross, on the other hand, really didn't like the movie and would probably say he wished it hadn't been made.

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